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  • Sir,

    NO MERCY TO SUCH DHONGI BABAS ON EARTH :

    Thanks for generating timely awareness about the immoral and fradulent acts of DHONGI BABA, who have shaken the faith of thousands of millions of innocent followers. It is rather shocking to learn that theses babas have large followings, in India and abroad and yes, have also sizeable influence on political and social circles. Such Babas have become self relying money making mints, in which the BABA is a BRAND, operated and controlled by an organised GANG in the background.

    There is hardly any doubt that such DHONGI BABAS have shaken the faith of millions of innocent believers, who are brainwashed to fulfil their malafied intentions. What is equally shocking is the fact that such DHONGI AND ENEMIES OF MORAL VALUES, have been flourshing without any fear or check, like DONS. IT THEREFORE CALLS FOR STERN ACTION AGAINST ALL THOSE FOUND SUPPORTING UNLAWFULLY TO SUCH CHEATERS.

    The innocent followers,unfortunately, are mostly from poor starta of our society and hence are easily tempted to have blind faith into the preachings of DHONGI AND FAKE GURUS.
    We salute the learned Judge who have given examplary punishment to the DHONGI BABA. We are confident that very soon, his close associates will also be booked and punished, preferably by holding special sessions of the hon’ble court, so that no one ever dares to think doing such fradulent and immoral activites.

    JASBIR SINGH

  • Dear brother,

    REG. DHONGI BABAS IN INDIA AND ABROAD :

    It is heartening to note that the hon’ble court had recently awarded examply punishment to a FAKE SAINT AND DHONGI BABA, who crossed every limit of moral values and fradulent acts. We hope many more stern actions against such DHONGI BABAS.

    We have great satisfaction to note that only a handful of such DHONGIS are operating in foreign countries, thus defaming the name of our country. The public whether in India or abroad, is no longer prepared to allow such DHONGIS to cheat them.
    We have great respect for the real Babas /Bhagats/Braham Gyanis.. for their noble deeds and selfless services to reduce human sufferings. But we certainly hate DHONGI BABAS for their immoral and fradulent acts. So please disown such DHONGIS AND LET THEM NOT MISLEAD YOU.
    Warm regards….

    MEWA SINGH ‘GARHIWALE’

  • Sir,

    SHAMELESS ACTS AND DEEDS OF DHONGI BABAS AROUND US:

    As an Indian, we are proud of our country where thousands of Devi Devtas, Saints, Bhagats, Barham Gyanis, had taken birth to reduce the human sufferings, protect the moral values and teach us the real purpose of a human life. Such persons were really the TRUE MESSENGERS of the ALMIGHTY GOD, for saving the humanity from devils and criminals, around us.

    In the good old days, as also in the recent past, we have learn about a large number of FAKE SAINTS /DHONGI BABAS, who with their dirty tricks, have befooled millions of innocent followers and have emerged as the most powerful and richest DHONGI BABAS ON THE EARTH.
    It is very unfortunate that such persons pretending as Babas or Saints, loaded with all immoral and fradulent acts have been able to befool the innocent devotees as well as the Govt. machinery. Why we always realised the damage, after its occurence.
    It really calls for stern action against such CHEATERS AND FAKE BABAS, in the best interest of our faith and moral values. Please, we need to join hands to condemn and disown such DHONGIS around us and never have blind faith in their sweet talks and socalled miracles.

    AMARJIT KAUR

  • GO TO HELL, DHONGI BABAS….

    THE ENTIRE NATION IS NOW AWARE OF AND IS SHOCKED ABOUT THE IMMORAL AND FRADULENT ACTS OF DHONGI BABAS . THE WAY SUCH CHEATERS MISLEAD THE FAITH OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT FOLLOWERS, IS INDEED UNBELIEABLE AND CALL FOR STERN ACTION. IN FACT THERE SHOULD BE EXAMPLARY PUNISHMENT AWARDED TO SUCH DHONGIS & CRIMINALS SO THAT NO ONE EVER DARE TO COPY THEM.

    HATS OFF TO THE LEARNED & DARING JUDGE WHO HAD DISPLAYED ENOUGH COURAGE TO AWARD APPROPRIATE PUNISHMENT TO THIS SOCALLED FAKE AND CHEATER DHONGI BABA OF OUR COUNTRY. WE ONLY WISH ‘HELL’ FOR SUCH DHONGI BABAAS…

    LT.KUNTI DEVI (RETD)…

  • Dear sir,

    DHONGI AND FAKE BABAS AROUND US…..

    It is indeed shocking that there has been rapid growth of DHONGI BABAS who have collected huge wealth and have managed great influence not only on their followers but also on high profile persons, for their vested interests. such persons are really a great burdon on our society and have already damaged the faith of millions of innocent followers.
    The recent exposure of a DHONGI SAINT, who have crossed all limits of humanity and morality, has been rightly punished, thanks to our judiciary system. But then, before it does such damage, let us decide such cases on priority basis, in the best interest of the justice and RULE OF LAW. Law enforcing forces must ensure that social evils of this sort are curbed at the earliest opportunities., then waiting for the right time, for years.
    Our country had made great progress and establised its name among the fast developing countries. The instances of DHONGI BABAS have equally lowered down the image of the country and set bad examples for our younger generation.
    LET US ALL JOIN HANDS TO THINK WELL BEFORE FOLLOWING DHONGI BABAS AROUND US.
    Regards….
    DR, DURLABH SINGH BHATTI

  • Sir,

    REG; DHONGI BAABAS….

    I FULLY ENDORSE THE CONCERN AND VIEWS EXPRESSED BY MRS. SANTOSH KAUR IN HER COMMENTS COVERED ON YOUR WEBSITE DATED 10.09.2017. THE SHOCKING AND IMMORAL ACTS OF DHONGI BABAS HAVE INDEED MADE THEIR INNOCENT FOLLOWERS HIGHLY ASHAMED OF AND WILL NOW FORCE THEM TO THINK TEN TIMES BEFORE BELIEVING SUCH CHEATERS WHO ARE ALWAYS IN THE LOOK OUT FOR ATTRACTING INNOCENT PERSONS.
    IT IS NICE TO BE KIND HEARTED BUT NOT A BLIND BELIVERS. LET US ALL BEWARE OF SUCH DHONGIS AND NEVER BELIEVE IN THEIR TALKS DESIGNED TO MISLEAD AND DAMAGE OUR FAITH.

    GOD SAVE US FREOM SUCH ENEMIES OF HUMANITY.

    JAGDISH SINGH
    .

  • BEWARE OF
    GODFORSAKEN “BAABAS”

    Gone are the days when we had “Babas, the truely messengers of God’ always rendering noble services for reducing the suffering of human beings and for leading us to learn the real purpose of a human life. Very shockingly and most unfortunately, we have learnt about “DHONGI BAABAS” in the recent past, who had earned bad reputation due to fradulent & shameless activites, Such DHONGI BAABAS have tarnished the faith of hundred of thousands of innocent FOLLOWERS/DEVOTEES, and have set really bad examples, for our younger generation.
    Yes, it is equally shocking that there has been mushroom growth in the number of such DHONGI BAABAS and nothing much has been done on the PART OF LAW & ORDER enforcing agencies, to take stern and timely action against such persons.
    It is high time that we on our part just don’t entertain and follow such DHONGI BABAAS, who are always moving with their fradulent plans and sinister designs, around us.

    SANTOSH KAUR .

  • SEVEN DECADES OF INDIA’S INDEPENDENCE:

    First of all, hearty felecitations on the 7oth anniversary of independence of India and big salute to all those who had contributed to make it happen.

    Whie India is celebrating its 70th Independence anniversary, we PUNJABIS especially SIKHS , who sacrificed the most, are still looking for the proper answer as to where we stand. Partition of India resulted in heavy loss of lives and livelihoods, followed by yet another division of Punjab in the Independent India and in particular, the genocide of 1984.
    On the auspicious Independent Day, I am trying to find out the real reasons and the proper answers thereto.
    But then, one thing is very clear. We need to learn from our past mistakes, which we don’t. Years ago, I watched a Documentry on BBC about the Partition of India. A Pakistani freedom fighter with a cunning smile on his face, said that there is a saying in his community that ” THE HINDUS CAN PREPARE BEFORE THE DISASTER HAPPENS, WE THE MUSLIMS START PREPARING WHEN WE FACE THE DISASTER AND THE SIKHS ONLY REALISE WHEN THE DISASTER DOES ITS DAMAGE & GONE.”
    Honestly, I did not like his dig at the history but how true he was I couldn’t disagree.
    Suffice it is to say and it is never too late that we must learn from our past mistakes as we are forging our way forward for our younger generation.
    JASBIR SINGH

  • Dear sir,

    Reg.” ORIGIN OF THE BHATRAS “, BY
    SANDEEP RAI:

    It was a great pleasure to read the contents of the intensive research work done by Mr. Sandeep Rai, tracing out the roots of our community ” BHATRAS”, published in your website. While we appreciate the good efforts of Mr. Rai, we wish to state that facts are facts and therefore must be spoken, no matter how bitter.
    Based on the perusal of the above noted write up, we would like to offer our observations/suggestions as mentioned here under :-

    1). Mr. H.A. Rose who is regarded as an authority on the subject of “Castes and Tribes” was labelled as an enemy of any particular caste, leave alone BHATRAS.
    When he met Bbatras in Bijnour, he expressed his opinion on the basis of another Old Treaty (written by Gethisan Bathes). The book is entitled “Ethnography of Tribes & Castes.”

    2 . The subject of Castes with numeral GOTRAS is not that simple and hence requires indepth study. It may still elude solution to any Scholar. According to an eminent Scholar, one has to prove historical events by literary references from the works of authority of writers of integrity.
    3. As a part of Sikh Community, we should better not dwelve on the past mistakes but improve our present to move forward as “we are what we are”.
    4. An eminent Scholar has rightly said that our past is only a reality and as such,not alterable. Think of future and what is there in names? This is true of BHATRAS as well. No community is free from false propoganda against them.

    Mr Sandeep Rai, the author, appears somewhat confused when he says Gotras are passed on from male to male. However, at the same time, he advocates that mothers DNA can determine a person Gotra.It simply seems to be queer logic.

    5. The way Mr. Rai has explained Mr. Rose explanation of BHATRAS in the Glossery is his right to express his views about the history of BHATRAS.However, it is a historical fact that before the Vanjaras of Lanka under the leadership of Bhai CHANGA, adopted the creed of Guru Nanak DEV in 1510, another section of Vanjaras had already become Sikhs of Guru Nanak DEV, during his first Uddassi (travel) in the Eastern part of the North India.
    Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha has also emphatically stated three types of people namely Vanjaras, Joggis and Uddassi, who became Sikhs of Guru Nanak DEV Ji.(page. 693 of MAHANKOSH ). Secondly it is also not correct to say that the Vanjaras from Lanka followed Guru Nanak DEV Ji to the North. Historical evidence is that Vanjaras lost Guru Nanak Dev’s track in the South itself. As a result, they settled at places graced by Guru Nanak DEV Ji and wondered in the South forever for more than 200 years. They headed towards the North West of the country and in all probability, ended up at Bidder(Nanak Jheera).
    This was the place they met Baba Banda Bahadur (Madho Das) and followed him to NANDERH. The Vanjaras who were also known as Dakhni Sikhs, followed Baba Banda Bahadur from NANDERH in 1709 and came to Punjab. They first settled at placE now known as Sarain Vanjara. They went to Bijnour near Haridwar and from there, they again returned to Punjab after a period of 100 years and settled in Hoshiarpur and Sialkzot, during the regime of Maharashtra Ranjit Singh.
    As to Raja Shivnabh, he was a Tamil King and Batticaloo was his kingdom where Vanjaras or BHATRAS, the followers of Bhai CHANGA, lived. They converted their ancesstral house into Guru Babe Ka Dera and took SIKHI after meeting Guru Nank DEV Ji.

    We hope our observations and suggestions will be taken in the right spirits and help the author Mr. Sandeep Rai in his project work.
    Best wishes,

    MEWA SINGH GARHIWALE

    • This is in reference to the comments/observations made by Sardar Mewa Singh Garhiwale
      The evidence shows that there is Southern Indian ancestry but the Gotras of the Bhat people are not of Southern extraction. They are clearly Sanskritised (Indo-Aryan) tribal names. Thus the Bhats themselves come out from other castes as the Gotras themselves belong to a wide range of castes.

      Women do not pass on Gotras, Men do.

      Sandeep Rai

    • Dear sir,
      The so called “DAKHNI SIKHS” is the name given to Sikh soldiers who were sent to Hyderabad by Maharaja Ranjit Singh on the request of the Nizam of Hyderabad.
      Secondly there is no evidence of any king of Sri Lanka called “Shivnabh”, it is most probably that he was a king of JAFANA, who worshiped Lord Shiva before he met Guru Nanak Dev ji, hence Siva Naik. (the kings of south Sri Lanka worshipped Lord Buddha, we still need clarification ).
      I have no mind to respond to Mr Sandeep Rai as it seems he is all set to convert us back to Hinduism.
      I HOWEVER FAIL TO UNDERSTAND WHY HIS WORK IS SO EXTENSIVE AS HE HAS NOT SAID ANYTHING NEW WHAT IS NOT IN PUBLIC DOMAIN.
      Warm Regards…
      JASBIR SINGH

      • When we talk about the history and origin of the Bhats, one thing you must understand is that speculation is an inevitable part of the historical investigative process.
        Sardar Mewa Singh Garhieale, uses different techniques and interprets history using textual sources, whereas I have looked at the genetic information from DNA testing , done on my own family as also on other Bhats. The information which I have gathered does not support any hypotheses which would suggest the Bhats are purely Southern Indian or a Lower Caste.
        I have 6 Clusters of Genetic Information from 6 members of the Bhat community who live in my township. The information shows that the Bhats are heterogeneous and have mixed with other castes. Just as I have said prior.

        If the Bhats were from Southern India, then it would need to be evidence. How do you expect me to support that ridiculous theory that the Bhats are 100% from South India, when the major component of every single Bhat’s DNA I have analysed is 50-80% Caucasoid and less than 30% South Indian, that suggests that the Bhats had a South Indian ancestor thousands of years ago. And your statement says that Bhats come from South India in the 16th Century.

        These 6 Bhats were barely related and the results showed the same thing. Very ancient South Indian ancestry. Before the 5th Century AD.
        That is the end of this South India origin hypothesis. There is no basis so you can’t prove it.

        I will end this age of ridiculous family histories, folktales and myths passed down from illiterate families.
        I will post the genetic composition of every single Bhat I have tested and then explain as to how there has been no evidence to support a 16th Century Migration from South India, neither descent from Lower Castes, nor any other Theorem except the one I have tried to explain, despite receiving perpetual criticism from people who are reluctant to prove their statements.

        Give me one day and that’s the end of your theories.

        San Rai

  • Sir,
    REMEMBERING A DEPARTED SOUL…
    Believe it or not, when we stop giving any importance to the concept of being a good human, we are bound to go down in the eyes of humanity. If we are sold in the market of humanity, we may not get even one penny.
    I dare tell a shocking but true story of an aged father, who spent almost whole of his life in planning and executing welfare of his kith and kins. That calls for our attention, especially of those, responsible for the misfortunes of this gentleman.
    He is very humble and God fearing , over 80 years of age and have undergone many surgeries due to one ailment or the other. He had a large family whom he always looked after so well.

    Unfortunately, he lost most of his own family members, including his wife, three sons and two daughters, in quick succession. However,he always praised one of his sons, settled in UK, who was very nice,hard working and always cared so much for his parents. He also made good efforts to arrange permanent stay of his parents in U K so that we may pass our old age comfortably.
    He further admitted that due to noble deeds of our son in UK, they had very happy and comfortable time enjoying old age days with their children and grand children.

    The greatest shock, however, in his life according to him came when his son in U K fell ill and was reported suffering from cancer. The son had otherwise good health and very strong will power. Despite small chances of his survival, he continued fighting against it. Departure of close relation like wife, sons and daughters, appears to have shaken him completely. He has great faith in God and maintains that whatsoever happened to him was nothing but the WILL of the Almighty God.
    Unable to control his tears he started narrating the last conversation he had with his son, who was at the death bed and very close to his last time. The dear son who was unable to speak, conveyed his wishes and state of mind through gestures. He told that “my son held my hand and put it on the head of his wife, our daughter-in-law who was also present, as if to say : father, take care of her and the family. Then my son placed my hand on the hands of his wife as if to say please always take good care of my aged parents.” It was really very difficult moments for him to hear last words of his beloved son, who was about to breath his last. He then eventually died with good deeds in his mind for the family and for his aged parents. May his soul rest in peace forever.

    The time changes so quickly with the unfortunate change in the human mind & attitude. He further added that he never imagined that our presence will soon become a burdonsome and will turn out contrary to the wishes of our late son. Our dear son was not only a great son but also proved a good husband and great father to his children.
    Last but not least, he concluded his story by saying “those who torture parents, will never find happiness and peace of mind “.

  • Dear Sir,
    We are indeed so proud of the fact that Bhat Sikh Community has always made its presence felt,in UK & across the world:
    Very glad to see an active website with information for the Bhatra Sangat. We are part of the Sangat settled in Scotland, United Kingdom.
    With God’s Grace Bhat Sikh Community has the privilege to first arrive in Scotland in the 1930s. Bhat Sikh Community was instrumental in establishing the first Gurdwara in Scotland in the city of Glasgow as early as 1940s and continue to thrive, now contributing significantly to all levels of Scottish Society.
    One of the earliest Sikh visitors to Scotland in the 1800s was Maharaja Duleep Singh, son of Maharaja Ranjeet Singh. Currently in Scotland, the cities of Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Glasgow have Sikh Gurdwaras including Bhatra Sangat managed Gurdwaras in Edinburgh and Glasgow. With the Grace of God Glasgow has four Gurdwaras.
    If you need any other information or images to add to your website please feel free to contact me.

    Sangat di charana di dhoor,

    SS Pall

  • Reply. To Mr. JASBIR SINGH….

    This refer to your comments connected to the write up of Mr. Sandeep Rai, the author of the intensive research work on the Origin Of The BHATRAS. It is interesting to note the interest evinced by you and the exchange of views , made ever since the publication of “the origin of the BHATRAS, between you and the Author Mr. Sandeep Rai. So please have positive view and attitude so that it may not discourage good efforts.

    In your recent comments, you have also added ” I hope Website doesn’t become another platform to highlight the achievements of the individual person or persons.”
    It appears you have not read the contents of our “Success Stories page,” We have always intended to highlight the good work done by the ACHIEVERS of Bhat Sikh Community. Our Motto also advocate that ” Ask not what community has done for you, ask what you have done for the community.”
    While we appreciate your concern and expect something more meaningful and constructive from you, we look forward to receiving close association with enlightened persons like you, for the good name and image of our community.
    Best Wishes…
    DEVINDER SINGH TAKPAUL, ADMIN

    • Sir,
      Please don’t take any criticism or debate negative,it’s just an effort to make other party evoke to do even better. The fact that the author Mr Rai is saying two gotra of our community are descended of “Kush” the second son of Lord Rama, is very difficult to digest for the reasons that even prominent historians don’t know exact date of birth of Lord Rama, I don’t need to point out to you the dispute going on in the Supreme Court of india over his birth place Audydia , so I don’t know what “intensive” research the author has done in tracing out the origin of “Bhat Sikhs”. Reference to Bhats geological collectors you will find in the Royal Court of the Northern Europe to India China & far east etc . So from where should we start, it will just result in more confusion. I believe we should refrain from such ideas that takes us away from our proud heritage of SIKHI. This is likely to create confusion in the minds of young generations? Our focus should be to relate ourselves with Sikhism. We know well that SIKHI only began with the birth of Shree Guru Nanak DEV Ji.In terms of MAHANKOSH of Bhai Kahn Singh (Nabha) , BHATRAS is a community whose Elder Baba CHANGA BHATRA, took SIKHI from Guru Nanak Dev Ji.This should make us feel proud & blessed.
      Warm regards…
      JASBIR SINGH

  • REG: ORIGIN OF THE BHATRAS…
    Congratulations to Sandeep, the write up was incredible, to think he is a naujawan and is so intelligent. He will do great in the future if this is what he is writing at his age now. His parents should be very proud of SANDEEP.

    Also, my grandfather told me when I was little boy, that we came from Jat people originally and my mother’s familys surname is Gujre, it is true because there is no mention of Bhatra before Sikhi. Definitely we have been mixed with Shivnabhs people, there are some really dark gotre like swali and really fair gotre like dhariwal, Sandeep wrote that swali was from south India I agree because they usually are darker. Maybe they’re closer to Shivnabhs people and Dhariwal is closer to the Jat, Rajput people.

    CHARAN POTIWAL

    • Thanks for your email. The Author says” Every Bhat will have some form of South Indian DNA . If you ever see a Suhwali with dark skin, it is because their ancestors took a Southern woman as a wife. Southern ancestors result in darker skin. Rajput, Jat, Khatri, Gujjar and Brhamin ancestors will result in lighter skin. Swali does in fact have a corresponding North Indian Gotra. Swala is a Jat Gotra, their ancestors trace back to the times of the first Aryans in India. I would think that Suhwalis have lighter skin than other Gotras. Perhaps the Suhwalis you have seen their ancestors mated with many Southern individuals. However, Suhwali I have seen have very fair skin.
      Darker Bhats have more Southern DNA which means they have genes to reproduce more melanin in the skin and more prominent nostrils and thicker hair and lips. Lighter Bhats have more Northern DNA which means they have genes to produce smaller amounts of melanin, smaller nostrils and thinner hairs and lips.”

      • Dear Sir,
        You are completely missing the fact that “sawalis” are really offshoot of “rathore” gotra and the story pass down to generations is that once one rathore family unknowingly got their son engaged to another rathore girl who lived at distance being poor and illiterate they did not bothered to ask the gotra till the Baraat arrived. To cut the story short the elders at present decided to name the boy side sawalis meaning beggars in Indian language. Till today both gotra don’t mearry their children with each other.
        A great deal of research based on facts not fiction is required on Bhat Sikhs.
        JASBIR SINGH

      • Sir
        Extract from your comments “Swali does in fact have a corresponding North Indian Gotra. Swala is a Jat Gotra, their ancestors trace back to the times of the first Aryans in India.”?.
        I have tried to explain in my reply the link between Rathore gortra and Swali gortra and why the two gotra don,t merry their children with each other, which is a common knowledge in our “Biradri” but you have decided to remove my reply that is fine but please let us have an open and honest debate, lets not confuse the “Sangat” any more. Thanks.
        JASBIR SINGH

        • DEAR MR. JASBIR,
          In Rajasthan the Suwāl and Rathor tribes who both live in the Tonk District, also do not marry with one another, as they believe they have a common patrilineal ancestor from which both Gotras are descended from. The Suwāl tribe and Rathor tribe entered into the Bhat community around the same time.

          Your claim is that Suwali is an inbred Gotra produced from marriage of two Rathors. However, the actual reason is because the Suwāl and Rathor tribes are descended from the same father but two different women. This is what is known & believed in Rajasthan.

          My friend, if Sawali means beggar, could you please tell me which language you suppose is the origin of this Gotra comes from.

          Folktales and and Old Wives Tales have no place in tbe Bhat community anymore.

          SANDEEP RAI (AUTHOR)

          • Mr Rai, if you read carefully I did not say they are inbred I gave the story which is pass down generations. you are contradicting when you saY Folktales and Old Wives Tales have no place in tbe Bhat community anymore, yet you decided to give folklore as an evidence “in Rajasthan the Suwāl and Rathor tribes who both live in the Tonk District, also do not marry with one another, as they believe they have a common patrilineal ancestor from which both Gotras are descended from.” also The Suwāl tribe and Rathor tribe entered into the Bhat community around the same time” time same. It would be interesting to know where you got this timeline without “old Wives Tales”. Having said that I do admire your passion to research Bhat Sikh history. Please be positive in your search. Thanks.
            Jasbir Singh

          • Mr Rai I quote from Mr Takpaul reply Swala is a Jat Gotra, their ancestors trace back to the times of the first Aryans in India. If you claim they are from a tribe based in Rajasthan then surely they are “Rajput” not “Swala” Jat clan. I think we stick to the story told down the generation’s.
            JASBIR SINGH

        • You say we need a “great deal of research based on facts not fiction” when ironically you have presented the Sangat with a story that firstly you cannot prove with either Written, Genetic, Historical or Etymological evidence, in essence you have presented us with nothing more than a “Fictional” story.

          And secondly, I would not trust the “Common knowledge in our Biradari” if my life depended on it. Because if I am correct, when the Bhats were asked about their origins in the 18th Century by British Ethnologists, they remarked of a story centred around the marriage of a Brahmin and a Court Dancer. Foolishly misunderstanding that ‘Two Individuals in the 16th Century cannot produce enough offspring to make a new community, genetic diseases would have done away with the second generation very swiftly.”

          Dear sir, next time you wish to criticise my work solely because you favour fictional tales passed down by your ancestors, at least do the Sangat a favour and back up your points with evidence.

          Thank You
          Sandeep Rai

          • Mr Rai if you are a student of History you know all the folklores have some true origin however minute it is. It’s the job of the Researcher to separate fact from fiction. I am sure with this attitude you will say that-the MAHABHARAT and THE RAMAYANA are fiction work just because we can not relate to some of the things in modern day life. We can’t just ignore what we have been told just because it’s not written down on paper.
            JASBIR SINGH

          • Dear Jasbir Singh.

            Not all tribes in Rajasthan are Rajputs. The fact that you do not know this is surely upsetting to me, as it suggests you have not read my Research thoroughly. Rajputs are made up of Jats, Gujjars, Ahirs and Adivasis.

            Rathors and Suwalis, belong to the Suryavanshi Rajput folds, however their origins are descend from Jats and other tribes.

            The fact that the Suwal and Rathor tribes are descended from the same father, is recorded in Hindu Mythological Texts, in which the Rathor tribe is descended from Kush, the second son of Rama. and Suwal from another wife of Kush. And no it doesn’t classify as Folktales, as it is Written down as how it was originally Written, making it a reliable Evidence.

            The two tribes in Rajasthan do not marry with eachother, as I have contacted four Rajasthani Rathors and Suwals each through Facebook .

            5 said: They do not marry eachother
            2 said: They’re not sure
            1 said: They’ve heard they can’t marry.

            My Friend, what conclusion do you suppose I will reach. This is what you call Primary Evidence, First Person interviews. Because these people have told me themselves from their own experiences in Rajasthan.

            I can conclude with the combination of Etymological, Historical and Primary Source Evidence, that the Bhat Suwalis and Bhat Rathors are descended from the Rajasthani Suwals and Rathors.

            You gave us a Folktale from the Community, which is of no interest. Solely because you can’t give me any Evidence I am not interested.

            Sir, I am not trying to argue with you, but you cannot use Folktales against Hard Evidence.
            SANDEEEP RAI

          • Dear Mr. Rai,
            Firstly, I don’t intend to discourage you from pursuing further your Intensive research work on the origin of The BHATRAS., but you need to have open mind. From your reply I can only say you are digging at the wrong hole. You need to ask the Bhat Sikh of rathore or swali why they don’t marry their kids with each other rather than Rajputs in Rajasthan. I think we need to move on to real topic of “Origin of Bhat Sikhs.”
            May I also take this opportunity to thank Mr Devinder Singh Takpaul for giving us this platform to exchange
            our views for the betterment of our community especially our young generation. I hope this website does not become another platform to highlight the achievement of individual person or persons. Thanks..
            JASBIR SINGH

          • “The fact that the Suwal and Rathor tribes are descended from the same father, is recorded in Hindu Mythological Texts, in which the Rathor tribe is descended from Kush, the second son of Rama. and Suwal from another wife of Kush.”. Lord Rama was arya putter from kasshtrya clan. Please let’s not open another “Pandora” box of mythology.

            JASBIR SINGH

          • Dear Mr. Jasbir Singh
            I am sorry to say, neither you understand how far history goes nor are you able to understand the ethnogenesis of a distinct Caste or Community.

            Hindu Mythological Texts didn’t use the word Rathor and Suwal because these names were born in the Medieval period. RAMA was a Kshatriya, but yet again you have misunderstood what is written.

            WHEN THE KSHATRIYA TRIBES LIVED IN RAJASTHAN, FATHER LINES BEGAN FROM THE NAMES OF FATHERS AND ANCESTRAL TITLES.
            Suvala is a Name
            Rathor is a Title

            Rathors and Suwals are descended from Kush and two different women. The children of Kush over a period of time multiplied into millions. giving birth to Brahmin, Kshatriya and Vaishya communities. One man can create millions over a period of time. All Upper castes are the progeny of the Aryans.

            The Suwals and Rathors lived in Rajasthan historically, they are the brethren of the Bhat Suwals and Rathors. I wonder if you understand how the Bhat community is a Hybrid community. It is incredibly relevant to mention here the Father Lineages of the Bhat Clans. I am not here to talk about as to what Bhats think. What we think and what we knows is different. Yes,I am here to separate the two apart.

            If you are not comfortable with what I am writing, please provide some valid arguments to establish point black in regard to what you are trying to convey. All I am seeing is Critique, but an unfounded Critique. I have made it clear.Excuse me,but I don’t listen to people who don’t understand or value what is written.
            SANDEEP RAI

    • Sardar Devinder Singh Ji,
      I wish you good health and prosperous new year. I don’t have to repeat myself for how much I appreciate your efforts in setting up this WEBSITE and the significant role & selfless services you have been rendering. Please keep it up.
      Regarding the contents of “Success Stories, sir, apart from the likes of Gyani Makhan Singh Mirgind , Dr Talib ji , Gyani Sunder Singh Sagar and Sardar Jaswant Singh Jas,etc who have lived up to the name and spirits of the slogan of your website. They have indeed done something outstanding and commendable. Sir, Will you please also give more space and platform to highlight such workers who are doing voluntary services to reduce the suffering of the poor & needy members of our community.
      JASBIR SINGH

  • THE BHATRAS – AN INTENSIVE STUDY INTO THEIR ORIGINS :

    Wow thank you for this incredible write up regarding the community’s origins. I’ll be taking a DNA test soon and I’ll send you the raw files, thank you so much.

    JASWANT BHAKAR

  • Hearty greeting to you, as well as to all your family,on the birth anniversary of Shri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, May the Allmighty
    Waheguru bring good health to you very, very soon.
    Thank you for
    publishing my profile.
    JASWANT SINGH JASS .

  • DEAR PAPA,
    First of all, greetings on the birth anniversary of Shree Guru Nanak Dev Ji from all of us here.
    I feel proud to be your daughter-in-law.
    We are very happy to know that your health is gradually improving and is on the road to good recovery.
    I am really fortunate to have such a caring, honest & hard working father-in-law. We sincerely appreciate your bent of mind towards the concerns & welfare of the community.
    I always remember you telling me that my past struggles and tremendous hardships faced towards ambitious dreams we had, will eventually turn into a proud achievement. Let me say, you indeed are a great inspiring force and a role model to all of us.
    I would also like to express my sincere gratitude to the one and only, my dearest mother-in-law who has always proved as a big strength and support to you as your loving better half, throughout your life.

    Last but not the least, big thanks to my husband and brother in-laws who have fulfilled their duty as beloved sons in taking best
    care of you and extending supporting hands to their mother.

    May Waheguru bless the whole family with peace, prosperity and love.

    With loving regards,

    HERWINDER KAUR

  • DEAR AND RESPECTED UNCLE,

    HAPPY DEEPAVALI & BANDI CHHOR DIWAS. WAHEGURU HAS BLESSED YOU IN YOUR BYPASS HEART SURGERY AND ALSO MADE US ALL VERY HAPPY TO LEARN ABOUT IT. PLEASE TAKE BEST CARE AND WE PRAY FOR YOUR SPEEDY HEALTH RECOVERY.

    THE SIGNIFICANT ROLE YOU HAVE BEEN PLAYING IN BOOSTING THE BETTER IMAGE OF BHAT SIKH SANGAT, HARDLY NEED MENTION. WE SALUTE TO THE STRONG WILL AND DETERMINATION THAT YOU HAVE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY, DESPITE VARIOUS HANDICAPS. GOD BLESS YOU TO KEEP UP THE GREAT SPIRIT.
    WITH WARMS REGARDS….

    JAGDISH SINGH , SUB MAJ (RETD.)

  • GOOD WISHES FOR YOUR HEALTH & LONG LIFE :

    We are indeed grateful to the Allmighty God for the success of your byepass heart surgery operation. No doubt, this made us all worried for sometime till the operation . Needless to say, you must be carrying good wishes of hundred of thousands of community loving well wishers, keeping in mind the tons of love you have for the welfare and concerns of our community.

    Wish, our young generation rise to the occasion and do something that lead to strenthen unity and better understanding among themselves, for the better image of Bhat Sikh Sangat.
    Hats off for your unfailing love and good efforts for the concerns of Bhat Sikh Community.
    With Happy Dewali greetings,
    TARLOK SINGH GUJRAL

  • WISH YOU A SPEEDY HEALTH RECOVERY :

    It was really difficult to believe that you have some trouble in your chest and was required to undergo a bypass heart surgery operation. We are so glad after learning that the operation was ok and there is nothing to worry about.

    We know your sincere dedication towards the welfare and concerns of our community through your website aimed at projection of its good image & great achievements in all walks of life. We are equally proud of your efforts and innovative mind to boost the image of the Bhat Sikh Community, as becoming a progressive and dynamic.
    May Baba Deep Singh (Shaheed) bless you with a speedy health recovery and the love you have for the welfare & concerns of the community.
    Warm regards….
    DR. DURLABH SINGH

  • Respected sir,

    It made us all very happy to know that your byepass heart surgery operation has been successful, thanks a lot to the blessings of WAHEGURU and the good wishes of well wishers. In a difficult situation such as this, family support matters a lot. We are so proud to say that your family has done very well like a good team, to face the situation and make that a proud success.

    We hope, you are taking good care and will soon have complete health recovery. Our best wishes remain always with you.

    HARPREET KAUR

  • Dear brother ,

    SAT SRI AKAL. Hope, this finds you in good health now. Thanks God your bye pass heart surgery has been ok and your are back home, after the operation. We all wish for you a sppedy health recovery.

    Incidentally, I wish to let you know that Matrimonial events have started in London, Birmingham and Manchester and in due course, it would prove good for our younger generation. However, it is unfortunate to say that most of our Sangat girls, continue to show preference to a modern sardar. May Waheguru bless them to understand the true concept of marriage under our great sikh religion.
    Regards…..
    MALTI SINGH

  • DEAR VEERJI,

    Don’t know how to express in words about the level of our happiness after learning about the success of your bye pass heart surgery operation , thanks to Waheguru and Baba Budha Sahib’s blessings. No doubt about it that it was a difficult time and situation for the family but then the great courage and team work shown by the family members, especially your proud sons and wife, deserve full appreciations.

    Please take good care of your health and we all pray for your speedy health recovery.
    WARM REGARDS….
    NIRMAL SINGH

  • HELLO VEER DEVINDER SINGH JI,
    SAT SRI AKAL.

    I am really sorry to learn that you have not been well and needed byepass surgery. We are so glad to know that your bye pass heart surgery has been successful.

    May Waheguru give full health recovery to you soon.

    WITH GOOD WISHES….
    JASWANT SINGH “JASS”

  • REG YOUR BYEPASS HEART SURGERY:

    We are so happy to learn that everything went well in the conduct of byepass surgery, with the kind blessings of WAHEGURU. We are equally proud to note that your two sons in Birmingham and the middle one at your place,including your wife,have also done exceedingly well. in making the BYE PASS SURGERY A SUCCESS.

    Love you always, BIG BROTHER. And yes, we all pray for your complete and speedy health recovery.

    Warm regards…..
    VALAITY SINGH POTIWAL

  • THE WEBSITE THAT MAKE US FEEL PROUD & WELL INFORMED….

    At the very outset, we wish to convey our compliments for the timely & useful Website, which truely reflects the welfare, good image and concerns of the Bhat Sikh Community. I am a Pharma Graduate and presently employed as Medical Representative by a reputed Company in Chandigarh. There are about 10 families of our Sangat, settled in Rahon, for quite a long time. I am proud to say that my father has also retired as LECTURER OF ECONOMICS. Most of the members of sangat families are equally well educated with progressive outlook and are in Govt. service.Last but not the least,your Website is very interesting, informative and full of inspiration. We love to read pages like Success Stories, News & Information, Comments & feedback, Photo Gallery, etc. God bless you to continue your good efforts, aimed at projecting the good and progressive image of our community.
    Regards…
    GANGVEER SINGH RATHAUR, RAHON (NAWANSHEHAR)

  • URGENT NEED FOR HAVING MATRIMONIAL SERVICE
    FOR BHAT SIKH COMMUITY IN U.K :

    It is very surprising to note that our Sangat, which has the management of over 32 Gurduwaras in the Uniited Kingdom, does not have any Matrimonial Services, worth the mention, for the use of children of our community. We have been in the look out for a good match for our son, who is 26, Gursikh,with Kesh and Darri, but in vain, as nobody wants to guide us or tell us any solution thereto. Our son doest not want to go to India but wish to marry in our community only. Unfortunately, down in KENT, the SANGAT was given an option but no encouraging response received.
    Need not to say, it is a very important issue and therefore calls for serious thinking and good solution. Rest assure, it is never too late to do good work. We therefore appeal to all Sangat Gurduwaras in UK to pl ponder over the subject and arrive at some good solution to this problem, faced by Bhat Sikh Community.
    Regards…..
    MRS. MANVINDER KAUR RATHORE

  • Respected Uncle Ji,

    Sat Sri Akal. We always keep in touch with your website and like its contents & quality. It is nice that we have something worth-knowing and informative about our community.and a good source of inspiration to our children. We like in particular the Photo Gallery, “success stories “, and “comments/feedback pages of your site. The latest additions such as PROFILES OF THE SINGH TWINS, CHAZ SINGH & SUKHI WAHIWALA, are simply amazing and some thing we really are very proud of. It is good to feel change in the attitude of our young generation, towards building better image of our community. Hats off to the good work being done by you and our best compliments for the great success of your website which is playing its role, laudably.
    Warmest regards.
    GURPAL SINGH GUJRAL

  • Thanks for the coverage of profiles of great men and women of our Community in the”success stories ” pages of your website. It was a great pleasures reading just recently the amazing works and outstanding achievements of THE SINGH TWINS, THE DYNAMIC CHAZ SINGH AND THE GREAT SUKHI WAHILWALA. They have really made the entire Sikh Communikty very proud, especially Bhat Sikh Sangat.
    Best regards.
    JAGDISH SINGH

  • Thanks for highlighting our humble achievements under the “success stories” page of your website, as also considering us worthy of representing our community – which we are proud to do so.

    We also wish to congratulate you and your team on the hardwork and good efforts made in putting the Bhat Sikh Community together. It is undoubtedly of tremendous value to highlight and promote the positive aspects of the community in this innovative way and to offer a much needed platform for discussion, information and exchange of views , not only for our community but also those outside the community, to learn who we are and what we have achieved or can achieve, collectively.
    As for the content and quality of the site, we honestly believe, it is excellent as an INITIATIVE in terms of its laudable objectives and the Content Coverage.We , however, are of the view that the website need to be IMAGE-LED, to help catch the attention of, and sustain and stimulate the interest, and engage readers in a way that blocks of texts can’t.
    Wishing you continued success of the site and all your endeavours.
    Warmest regards…..
    AMRIT & RABINDRA KAUR SINGH

    • Thanks a lot and yes, we consider it as our privilege to have your profile and publish it on our Website. The work and achievements highlighted are simply superb,amazing and most inspiring. This has undoubtedly made the whole sikh community very proud, both in U.K. and the world over.
      Best wishes,dear SINGH TWINS, for all your future endeavours. Please keep up the excellent work done.
      DEVINDER SINGH TAKPAUL
      ADMIN.

  • We are a group of volunteers and starting a new scheme in our community.
    Your website offered us with valuable info to work on. You’ve done
    a formidable job and our entire community will be thankful to
    you.

    • Thanks for your compliments. Where there is a will, there is a way.Best wishes for all your future endeavours for rendering good service to your community.

      Admin.

  • It is a matter of great pride that Bhat Sikh Community had established over 30 Gurduwaras in the United Kingdom at most of the well known cities,including Birmingham,Bristol, Cardiff, Nottingham,London,,Manchester,Peter Borough, Middles borough, to name but a few. This shows their humble contribution in the promotion of Sikh religion,both in India and the world over. It was nice to visit Bhat Sikh Sangat Gurudwaras recently in Birmingham and had the good luck of listening to Gurbani and Shabad Kirtan and taking Guru Ka Langer. The Management Committee deserves appreciations for the good management in promoting core values of Sikhism amongst the younger generation.

  • I would just like to express my thanks for highlighting my humble contribution in the field of social services.In fact, I feel proud to represent our young sikhs generation in the United Kingdom.There is no doubt that we are capable of doing anything if we put our hearts and mind into helping others.
    A big thank for your proud TEAM, for the great tasks you have taken on hands, aiming at boosting the image and CHARDIKALA of Bhat Sikh Community.
    Kindest regards…..

    MANI LANDA
    FEB.20,2015

  • REG. OUR GOOD AND BAD CUSTOMS/PRACTICES….

    We are so happy to view your website and note the OPINION POLL conducted by you as to whether or not, we should continue following customs/practices such as “Khul Karan Di Rassam”
    and “Mourvi Makaan”. It is shocking to note that even after decades, we still come across some of families of our SANGAT
    observing such customs/practices, which have practically lowered the image of our community. We need to take care of
    our roots but should never follow bad customs just because they are age old and have been followed by our elders. Sikh Gurusehbans have always taught us to keep
    away following bad customs as there is no logic & valid reasons behind them. Our community had made great efforts to prove their
    enterprising skill and hard working nature. We must adopt a progressive outlook and discard such meaningless customs/practices which seems to have already
    lowered the name and image of our community.

    I have no hesitation to mention here that in couple of such sad occasions, we have to strongly say “NO” to follow Khul Karan
    Di Rasam, to the great displeasure of our elders. It is good to learn that, gradually, our old generation have also started realizing the bad-affects of such customs/practices
    and make no issue in the event of their non-observance.
    We are undoutedly against bad customs like Khul karan di rasam & Mourvi makaan and would never like to
    follow them. However, we would love to observe good customs and practices, as they reminds us of our roots.

    GOD BLESS YOUR TEAM…… CHARANJIT SINGH

  • Dear Sir,
    Sat Sri Akal. It was a great pleasure meeting you during my recent visit to PATIALA, in October, 2013 and having discussion about your website and its objectives. Sorry, due to some unavoidable schedule of personal work, we could not have detailed discussion on various issues of our SANGAT.

    I must thank you for the coverage of my father*s profile (BHAI SAHIB BHAI GURBAKSH SINGH AZIZ ) on your website under “success stories” page. I must also mention here that my father was always against the old and bad customs/practices, followed by our SANGAT and tried his best to educate our SANGAT to get rid of them, with the help of Gurbani. This fact is also reflected in his book of poetry “JIWAN LEHRAN”.

    So while I like good customs and practices to continue, I strongly say NO to bad customs/rasams like “Khul Karan Di Rassam ” and “Mourvi Makaan”, as specified in your Opinion Poll. It is high time that we fully understand the bad affects of such customs and practices as they had already damaged the image of our community.

    Our best wishes to the success of your great and sincere intentions. Please keep up the good work done.

    REGARDS……SURJIT SINGH ,MANCHESTER

  • Dear brother DEVINDER SINGH, SAT SRI AKAL.

    LET ME CONVEY MY THANKS FOR THE COVERAGE OF MY PROFILE ON YOUR WEBSITE FOLLOWED BY HIGHLIGHTS OF ANNUAL FUNCTION
    MARKING 519th BIRTH ANNEVERSARY CELEBRATIONS OF BABA SHREE CHAND JI, HELD ON 12-14TH OF SEPTEMBER, 2013 AT MUSHTAK GANJ, LUDHIANA. IT IS GREAT
    TO SEE MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT IN THE ACHIEVEMENT OF VARIOUS TARGETS FIXED IN THE WEBSITE. I SINCERELY HOPE THAT WITH
    THE KIND OF DEDICATION AND STRONG CONVICTION YOUR TEAM HAVE, YOU WILL REACH YOUR GOALS, WITH THUMPING SUCCESS.

    I MUST ALSO APPRECIATE YOUR WELL INFORMED VIEWERS FOR THEIR HEALTHY COMMENTS/FEEDBACK AND THE POSITIVE ATTITUDE THEY
    HAD SHOWN IN UNDERSTANDING THE TRUE AND SINCERE MISSION OF COMMUNITY WELFARE SERVICES YOU HAVE, IN YOUR MIND. YOUR LOGO ” DON’T ASK WHAT COMMUNITY HAVE DONE FOR YOU, ASK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY”.
    IS DECIDEDLY A MOST TIMELY AND SUITABLE CALL FOR EACH ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

    I HAVE ALSO VIEWED YOUR CAMPAIGN WHICH IS ABOUT GOOD AND BAD OLD CUSTOMS AND PRACTICES AND THE NEED
    FOR OVERHAULING THEM. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT CUSTOMS/PRACTICES SUCH AS “KHUL KARAN DI RASSAM” AND “MOURVI MAKAAN”, HAVE
    ALREADY DONE GREAT DAMAGE TO THE IMAGE AND SENTIMENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY. FRANKLY, WE HAVE BECOME LAUGHING STOCK WHEN
    OUR CHILDREN AND FRIENDS COME TO KNOW ABOUT SUCH CUSTOMS/PRACTICES, FOLLOWED BY SOME MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE
    A PART OF CIVILIZED SOCIETY AND SUCH OLD AND BAD CUSTOMS/PRACTICES MAKE US FEEL ASHAMED IN FRONT OF OTHERS.
    YES, WE STRONGLY ADVOCATE FOR THE NEED OF FOLLOWING OUR OLD BUT GOOD CUSTOMS/TRADITIONS, AS THEYREMIND US OF OUR ROOTS. BUT
    CUSTOMS SUCH AS KHUL KARAN DI RASSAM AND MOURVI MAKAAN, MUST BE COMPLETELY STOPPED AS THERE
    IS NO NEED TO DEFEND THEM JUST BECAUSE OUR ELDERS HAD BEEN FOLLOWING THEM.

    THANKS FOR COVERING MY PICTURE IN THE FOTO GALLERY PAGE.I WILL ALSO SEND YOU PICTURES OF A HIGH RANKED OFFICER (RETD.)
    OF THE INDIAN ARMY, WHO IS FROM OUR COMMUNITY, WITH YET ANOTHER ACHIEVER , WHO HAD ALSO THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING
    THE FIRST GUARD IN THE INDIAN RAILWAYS, FROM OUR COMMUNITY.
    REGARDS…

    ADVOCATE BHUPINDER SINGH “JAWAHAR”
    LUDHIANA (PUNJAB)

  • REPLY TO ASHAN SINGH’S COMMENTS DATED 03.10.2013 :

    Thanks for your thought provoking views and prompt response. You are right , if we stop our tradition, we may forget our roots. There are both good as well as bad traditions, customs and

    practices. We have never or will ever like to oppose good traditions/customs and practices followed by our community. But then, there are some bad customs/practicesas well such as “Khul Karan Di Rasam &amp and

    Mourvi Makaan, which specifically form part of our “Opinion Poll”, & which had done more harm then any good to the level of thinking and image of our community, calls for a complete stop. In my

    personal views, such customs/practices had already done great damage to the image and reputation of Bhat Sikh Sangat. There is no logicwhatsoever, in following such customs & practices, simply for the good reasons that they are meaningless and against

    the great principles of sikhism.

    I agree with you, our traditions make us what we are and we need not discontinue . But then, we can’t afford to allow bad customs/practices in our community just because these were followed

    by our old generation. There is a great need of self introspection. Yes, we are confident that it surely would make us a better community if what we do is not harming to the sentiments of all concerned and

    virtually doing good to the society at large. Last but not the least, we always think of protecting good customs and practices of our community but are oppose to those, as specified above, for the obvious reasons. Please allow me to add that departure of damaging customs/practices, in question, calls for great understanding and support. Thanks for the interest shown by you.

    Regards…… ADMIN.

  • Dear brother, SAT SRI AKAL. It was good to have thoughtful discussions with you on our personal meeting on 15th of Sept,2013 at village Kataria. I have also viewed your website and found the objectives, very encouraging and timely. It was really great to read ” success stories, comments/feedback
    and view pictures of our well known persons and elders of our community.

    Frankly, I remained in Govt. service for a long time but did not find time to
    think much about our Sangat. But then, there had been many such occasions concerning our community which made us feel bad and discouraged. It is very unfortunate that we still continue to follow certain age old customs/practices, despite their bad effects, to our community.
    As about bad and illogical customs/practices namely “KHUL KARAN DI EASSAM” AND MOURVI MAKAAN, there is no need to give any justification whatsoever or to prove that our
    community’s name and image had been effected badly. I remember how
    our children feel disgraced about such customs/practices, being followed by some members of our community.
    I therefore strongly view against such customs/practices, as mentioned above, and appeal to our SANGAT, to discard them fully, for the good image and reputation of BHAT SIKH COMMUNITY.
    CONGRATS FOR THE GREAT COMMUNITY WELFARE SERVICES.

  • MY VIEWS ABOUT OUR OLD CUSTOMS AND TRADITION……..

    Like other communities, we too have many customs, practices and traditions
    followed by our elders and now by us, for the simple reason that they reminds us of our very roots. But then, it is also a proven fact that some of
    our customs and practices, have practically become a source of threat to the
    image of our community, such as “Khul Karan Di Rassam , Mourvi Makaan.
    I had personally witnessed certain cases of such nature, which were followed , despite strong resentment of the concerned members. Such customs/practices, have lower the name of our community and serve as
    a great burdon on the concerned families to follow. We have many good and praiseworthy traditions/customs as well and we all love
    to follow them. But customs/practice as named above, have already done
    huge harm to our community’s name and reputation and without any reservation,warrant complete halt. I am sure, our elders will take this move, in the right perspective and extend full support.
    God bless you in serving the SANGAT and enhancing its reputation.

  • REGARDING OUR OLD CUSTOMS AND PRACTICES…….

    I was of the opinion that we should do away with these things. Then I read a book about China and its people. There was something which caught my eye and that is we seem to get religion and tradition mixed up. IF WE STOP ALL THESE THINGS, WE WILL FORGET OUR ROOTS. How are we going to define other countries and their customs, if we stop ours and others followed we end up the same.There would be no need to travel or see other people. We would be the same all over the world.
    Our traditions make us who we are. Everybody has old traditions and customs; some may be good and some may be bad or some we like, some we don’t.
    Why we Bhat sikhs want wipe clean our old traditions? It is not to make us a better race if we don’t do what we do and which makes us who we are, I would like you to reply.

  • This refers to our personal meeting on 20th of Sept, 2013. I am so glad that
    you continue to pursue the laudable objectives,mentioned in your website. As
    to the old customs and practices, we welcome all the good traditions, practices and customs, as they reminds us about our background and the
    fact that our respected elders had followed them. But then, we need to disown customs or practices like Khul Karan di rassam and Mourvi Makaan,as they have already damaged our image and reputation amongst
    other progressive communities. I think it is enough to say that such customs/practices are meaningless, illogical and damaging and need to be discarded forthwith. Our elder Baba Changa Bhatra ji had followed SIKHI of
    Guru Nanak Dev Sahib and when we follow such tradtions/customs,as indicated above, we may be doing
    so against Gurmaryada. So we must not follow such customs/practice.

  • It is concerning your Opinion Poll launched recently about the old customs and practices followed by our community. It is completely of no use whatsoever to
    follow such customs/traditions which are meaningless and bring lot of disgrace to the name and image of our community. I therefore strongly view
    against continuation of customs/practice namely” khul karan di rassam” and” Mourvi Makaan”. However, we like to follow many good customs/traditions in our
    community as it lead us to our very roots. Besides, we are answerable to our younger generation about its damaging effects.

  • Thanks a lot for covering my most humble profile on your website under “success stories” page. In fact, I feel highly energised and greately inspired to do something concrete for the community. It was nice to read the comments/feed back page which contains very healthy view points of our well informed and
    enlightened visitors. Kuddos to you and your team for having taken most daring assignment of this nature.
    Please keep up the grand tasks . Regards and best wishes.
    TRILOK SINGH GUJRAL

  • Respected Sir,

    I am Jaspal Singh “Rathore residing at village Borowal near Banga (Punjab) and have heard about our community website sometime ago. Inspite of great desire, I could not manage to

    view it, largely for health reasons. Now that I had visited it, I really feel I should have done it much before. Any how, first of all, let me congratulate you for this outstanding work

    done in the best of our community.
    We often prefer to do things for our selves or for our family members/close relatives but rarely think about doing some good service to our

    community. I must say, you are one among specially blessed members of our community who cares so much for the concerns of our Sangat.

    The great objectives of the site are most timely and indeed worthy of attention of the community. I was so happy to read the features like “COMMENTS/FEED BACK, SUCCESS STORIES, FOTO GALLERY, OLD CUSTOMS/PRACTICES, etc. etc. It was nice to see the pictures of our elders/dynamic leaders, etc. Needless to add,it is bound to serve its purpose when our younger generation
    visit it and read its laudable objectives.

    Last but not the least, please also take good care to educate members of our Sangat to keep away from following old customs/practices, which have done more damage then any good to

    the image of the entire community. Customs/practice like “Khul Karan Di Rassam, Mourvi Makaan, etc. are just meaningless and against Gurmariyada/sikh religion and have already tarnished the name and image of our community. We are very proud to say

    that our elder Baba Changa ji followed sikhi of Shree Guru Nanak Devji. Evenlthough a very small portion of our Sangat might be still following such old customs/practices, but that too need

    to be discontinued, if there be any such instance. Let us come forward to educate such member(s), if any, in the best interest of our community’s image.

    Once again, a huge amount of compliments for the great website and greater still, its objectives.

    SAT SRI AKAL………Jaspal Singh Rathore

  • It’s great to see that many of our brothers, sisters and elders are leaving positive and very worthwhile feedback on the superb services this website is providing. I would like to suggest that if our like minded members of Bhat Sikh Sangat internationally are interested, then maybe through the managers of this website we can set up and facilitate a contact database whereby we can all get in touch with each other to share ideas and best practices to help promote our bradhari.

    Having lived in the UK for over 47 years, I am dismayed at the lack of interest and understanding our current and upcoming generations are showing in the basic knowledge of Sikhism. I firmly believe if we are to improve our position within the Sikh population of the world, then we must become more focussed on our core values of Seva and Simran as instructed by our beloved Guru Ji’s.

    Please keep up the excellent work that you are doing with this website

    Gurfateh

    Serbjit Singh Landa (UK)

  • I can’t begin to tell you what a pleasures it had been to visit your website. In fact,I had heard about this site sometime back but due to busy schedule, could not view it. It gives us lot of inspiration when we come to know the rich background our community had as also the great sacrifices that our elders had
    made to protect its good name and image. It was like a treat to see the pictures
    of great men and women of our community as also to read the outstanding achievements of our old and young generation.
    If I may mention here, I also come from a progressive and educated family. My father had served the Indian Railways, for over three decades and thanks to him, he has groomed his children into different facets of life, remarkably.
    Needless to say, we are still to realize the fact that we are not paying due attention towards good education for our children, whatever the circumstances.
    In the website, I have viewed many burning issues that you had attempted
    to draw attention. I am sure with the kind of great grooming you have backed by invaluable hold on making good use of print and electronic media,you will surely come up with thumping success.
    CONGRATS FOR THE EXCELLENT AND INNOVATIVE PROJECTS AND PLEASE KEEP IT ON…..

  • HARJIT SINGH GOJRA, LONDON (UK)

    I AM CURRENTLY ON A FAMILY VISIT TO INDIA AT kALKA, TO PARTICIPATE IN THE WEDDING CEREMONY OF MY
    NEPHEW. JUST THE PREVIOUS EVENING, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF VIEWING YOUR WEBSITE. I MUST SAY, IT WAS A GREAT NEED
    OF OUR COMMUNITY TO PROJECT ITS IMAGE AS A PROGRESSIVE AND ENTERPRISING COMMUNITY. WE HAVE SHOWN GREAT PROGRESS
    IN ALL FIELDS, BE IT A BUSINESS, EDUCATION, SOCIAL AND RELIGIOUS SERVICES, MEDICAL AND LEGAL PROFESSION, TO MENTION
    BUT A FEW. I AM CONFIDENT, THAT DAY IS FAST APPROACHING WHEN OUR COMMUNITY WOULD BE AMONGST THE MOST PROGRESSIVE
    COMMUNITIES OF OUR SOCIETY.

    EVER SINCE MY ARRIVAL IN ENGLAND, WE HAVE WORKED VERY HARD TO ESTABLISH OURSELVES IN THE BUSINESS. WITH
    THE GRACE OF WAHEGURU AND THE BLESSINGS OF OUR ELDERS, WE HAVE GOOD HOLD AND REPUTATION IN TERMS OF SELF-EMPLOYED
    BUSINESS WE MANAGE.
    IT WAS A GREAT PLEASURES TO SEE FEATURES LIKE ” SUCCESS STORIES”, “COMMENTS”, PHOT GALLERY, ETC.
    WHICH ARE OF GREAT INTEREST AND A SOURCE OF HUGE INSPIRATION TO OUR YOUNGER GENERATION. IT WAS A DILGHT TO KNOW
    ABOUT GREATMEN OF OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THEIR PICTURES.I MUST SAY,YOU HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD AND TIMELY JOB BY
    CREATING THIS WEBSITE, FULLY DEVOTED TO BHAT SIKH SANGAT. PLEASE CARRY ON THE GREAT WORK DONE/BEING DONE.

    SAT SHREE AKAL & GOD BLESS YOUR EFFORTS………..HARJIT SINGH GOJRA

  • It was nice to view your website once again and reading most of its pages. Must say, the website contains remarkable work being done and high targets set before you for execution. There is no doubt that with the dedication and courage you had shown so far, you will accomplish all your great objectives in due course. I have liked features such as “success stories “, ” Comments”, Foto Gallery, etc.etc.
    As you know very well, our SANGAT had made good progress in all fields and
    are in the process of building better image of our community. My appeal to
    our younger generation would be to please step forward and make our community still more proud and lead it to further heights. This will amount to paying rich tributes to our elders who had done so much for boosting the
    image of Bhat Sikh Sangat. To conclude,I would like to say, let us make all out efforts to
    maintain and further grow the good image of our community.
    Congrats and please carry on the good work done.

  • It made us feel so happy to view the website of our community. We must welcome this good and most needed step. We are
    confident, it will generate lot of interest among our younger generation and will prove most effective towards building good image of our community in the long run. So many hearty thanks for the fine job done.

    As you well know, our community has now been taking active interest in all facets of life and it is bound to produce good results.It may please our Bhat Sikh Sangat to know that my father SARDAR PAL SINGH LOHIA, HAD WON THE ELECTION OF PANCH, JUST RECENTLY.
    We hope, we need to highlight such events regularly.

    Sat sri akal and regards….LOHIA FAMILY

  • Very encouraging to read about our communities’ achievements historic and current. Your website provides a healthy medium for informed discussion. Unfortunately as diasporic Sikhs we have had to face discrimination from majority Sikh communities who have inevitably highlighted negatives of our Bhat Sikh community.
    I would like to mention the recognition achieved as a UNITED community at the recent inauguration ceremony of GURDWARA SIKH SANGAT HARLEY GROVE BOW LONDON E3 United Kingdom. Indeed a certain TV channel has invited our community to feature regularly in their programmes

    The information provided by your commentators is highly exhilarating

    Congratulations for a clear, concise and professional piece of journalism
    Please keep up the good work.

  • I wish to express my thanks for launching website of BHAT SIKH COMMUNITY which is simply superb, full of plus points. There is no doubt that our community had made rapid strides in all walks of life and
    presently enjoy very good social image, thanks to the parents for rising
    to the need of good education for their children. To day, we have many
    leading businessmen,doctors, army officers,magistrate/judge,bankers,engineers,lawyers/advocates,teachers/professors,including best Katha wachak/kirtanias, artists, singers, to mention but a few. This
    for sure vouch for the outstanding progress made by our community. The
    day is not very far when our community will be amongst the best and
    progressive communities of the society.

    Let us join hands to make our community still better.

    REGARDS AND CONGRATS FOR THE GOOD WORK DONE……..

  • I AM A SENIOR CITIZEN AND SETTLED WITH OUR FAMILY IN DELHI . IT WAS NICE TO LEARN ABOUT YOUR WEBSITE LAUNCHED FOR BOOSTING THE IMAGE OF BHAT SIKH SANGAT AND TAKING ON HAND VARIOUS VITAL AREAS FOR AN ALLROUND PROGRESS OF THE COMMUNITY. UNFORTUNATELY NOTHING SOLID HAD BEEN DONE SOFAR BUT ATTITUDE OF BHAT SIKH COMMUNITY IS MUCH BETTER PRESENTLY, THANKS TO THE EFFORTS BEING MADE BY DEVOTED WELL WISHERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
    MAY I MENTION HERE THAT I HELD THE POSITION OF SUPERVISOR,SENIOR SUPERVISOR AND RETIRED IN THE YEAR 1996 AS
    TTI (CLASS II) FROM THE INDIAN TELECOMMUNICATION DEPTT. , NEW DELHI. WE ARE GRATEFUL TO THE WAHEGURU WHO HAVE PROVIDED US MORE THAN WHAT WE REALLY DESERVE. HOWEVER MY ONLY REGRET IS THAT THE PRESENT GENERATION IS FAILING IN THEIR MORAL DUTY TO GIVE
    DUE REGARDS AND PROTECTION TO THEIR ELDERS/PARENTS . THOSE WHO IGNORE AND DISRESPECT PARENTS WILL NEVER
    BE PARDONED BY THE ALMIGHTY GOD.

    BEST WISHES FOR RENDERING GREAT SERVICE TO OUR SANGAT.
    SAT SRI AKAL…………….AJIT SINGH, , NEW DELHI

  • Great pleasures to visit your website which is very timely , innovative and thought provoking. It makes the site even more interesting when it commits to undertake challenging projects, such as history of the BHAT SIKH COMMUNITY,education,success stories/achievements,Community Magazine,
    customs, etc.etc. My complements for the FOTOGALLERY section, through which we see great and eminent personalities of our community as also
    relatives whom we have not met or seen for a long time.It was a delight to see the pictures of our maternal uncles and
    Fufarhji. I may mention here that if we have reached upto the position of Lieutinent and Captain in the Indian Army, it had been possible but for the good education provided to us by our parents. My father also retired as a Post Master while my brother retired as a Warrent Officer from the Indian Airforce. I am sure our younger generation will attach due importance to the dire need of education, which is bound to make our children more informed,successful and self-reliant. Last but not the least, we might be having hundreds of thousands of such families of out community who might have excelled in education, business, Defence service and many other fields. So it is important to highlight their
    chievements suitably towards building good image of BHAT SIKH SANGAT.

    OUR COMPLIMENTS TO THE GREAT JOB DONE.PLEASE KEEP IT UP! REGARDS….LT. KUNTI DEVI (RETD.)

  • Dear sir, Sat sri akal. I am Inderjit Singh from V & PO TALWAN (Jallandur, Punjab). I am curious to know about the Bhat community
    JATHERE anywhere in India.
    Please answer me as soon as possible.
    Regards……..INDERJIT SINGH

  • I have looked at your website and MUST compliment you on doing such a great job. Our Baradri needs many more sewadars like you to help improve the image of our community, across the world. As a Baradri, we do not seem to have projected properly the significant contribution made by
    Bhat Sikh Community in the SIKH PANTH . I will send you some information and pictures of my father for being included in the PHOTO
    GALLERY of your website and would love to help you in any way I can.
    REGARDS….. Serbjit Singh

  • I was so very happy and satisfied to visit your website and note the
    high objectives you have set before you to make the site most attractive, informative AND worth visiting. The FOTO GALLERY serve a great purpose
    and introduce us to the great men and women of our community. Success stories provides good information and huge inspiration to our
    younger generation. Please keep it up. Last but not least, please take on hand the production of community magazine. THANKS, DR.PRITHIPAL SINGH (JAIPUR)

  • Indeed a commendable step towards generating desired level of energy & inspiration amongst the members of Bhat Sikh Sangat and for promoting awareness inthe minds of our younger generation. Excellent efforts indeed! Please keep up the good work done. Good Luck. REGARDS… P.M.SINGH

  • I am very pleased that there are alot of Bhat sikhs websites because years ago our community was not highly thought of. But I can say that we know much better how to have a great weddings, enjoy all our punjabi festivals and do everything in style. Our community had done alot of good things in our society – both in India & abroad, and earned good name.Incidentally, my husband Sunny Landa has a Radio show on Kismat Radio on saturday afternoon at 12-2pm and I woluld like you all to tune in and support him.

  • It was a great pleasure & satisfaction to visit your website devoted to BHAT SIKH COMMUNITY . Indeed, the site is well thought of, informative and bound to encourage younger generation towards projection of image of it as being a progressive & dynamic community. PHOTO GALLERY was interesting but need to be given bigger coverage. And yes, we look forward to the production of community magazine, as indicated in the contents of the website.

    Incidentally, it may interest your viewers to know that I have four books in punjabi & one in English languages, on sikh history ,etc. to my credit which I VERY humbly hope that it will serve good purpose to those who takes interest in sikh history and the Bhat sikh community. GOD BLESS YOUR EFFORTS!

  • Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh.
    Satsriakaal ji

    I am very delighted to find that my Great Grandad Dr Harnam Singh Talib ‘s old photograph on this fantastic website. Its a pleasure in seeing our ancestors who made a name for our Bhat community. Respect to the creator of this website who have shown us our beloved ones such as Dr Harnam Singh Talib, Bibi Vidya-Wanti, Giani Preetam Singh Rathore and many more.

    Thank you

    Rajwinder Singh & Harpreet Kaur

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